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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6677</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been my long and painful dilemma. I&#039;m not a fan of BN. But, the opposition is also full of monkeys, as is evident from the recording. I had always suspected that PKR would turn out to be just another UMNO. And, as a liberal Malay Muslim, don&#039;t even get me started on PAS. Ideologically, I prefer DAP since they are pro-secular, but unfortunately they are allied with Tweedledee(PKR) and Tweedledum (PAS). Also, although ideologically favourable, I doubt DAP&#039;s leadership capability. So how is a guy like me to vote? Who to vote for? Thank God I was in Australia during the 2008 general election; saved me the trouble of deciding who to vote for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been my long and painful dilemma. I&#8217;m not a fan of BN. But, the opposition is also full of monkeys, as is evident from the recording. I had always suspected that PKR would turn out to be just another UMNO. And, as a liberal Malay Muslim, don&#8217;t even get me started on PAS. Ideologically, I prefer DAP since they are pro-secular, but unfortunately they are allied with Tweedledee(PKR) and Tweedledum (PAS). Also, although ideologically favourable, I doubt DAP&#8217;s leadership capability. So how is a guy like me to vote? Who to vote for? Thank God I was in Australia during the 2008 general election; saved me the trouble of deciding who to vote for.</p>
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		<title>By: vsvsv</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6634</link>
		<dc:creator>vsvsv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, the only innocent one is the chickens. The other four are just politicians/angel who wear devil mask. Both Lim and Cheah are the first two found guilty by offering compensation. I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s bribing or not, but still Aminah has a point.

But then again, what is the ulterior motive of Aminah taping the friendly lunch session?
In her house? Chee.....I don think I want to be her friend or whatsoever. She is good in playing the friendly role and yet backstabs her friends. 

And her motives? I really don&#039;t know. Is she taping it knowing she will be offered something and if the amount is big, keep the tape so she can expect the party will eventually keep their promises and pay up? Or in the other hand, since the amount is so small, she can use this to topple the party? Whatever is it...only god knows her motives but I am very sure I don&#039;t think I want to be her friend. Scary .... How can we trust her since she wears the mask so well??

To Lim and Cheah, didn&#039;t your parents tell you not to keep tigers as pets? Why? Cos if your food offering is big, your tiger pet will protect you but if your food is small, the tiger will eat you up when the tiger is hungry.

All politican are tigers . Aminah is one friendly cat with her motives. She might have found the compensation is too small and insulting. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, the only innocent one is the chickens. The other four are just politicians/angel who wear devil mask. Both Lim and Cheah are the first two found guilty by offering compensation. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s bribing or not, but still Aminah has a point.</p>
<p>But then again, what is the ulterior motive of Aminah taping the friendly lunch session?<br />
In her house? Chee&#8230;..I don think I want to be her friend or whatsoever. She is good in playing the friendly role and yet backstabs her friends. </p>
<p>And her motives? I really don&#8217;t know. Is she taping it knowing she will be offered something and if the amount is big, keep the tape so she can expect the party will eventually keep their promises and pay up? Or in the other hand, since the amount is so small, she can use this to topple the party? Whatever is it&#8230;only god knows her motives but I am very sure I don&#8217;t think I want to be her friend. Scary &#8230;. How can we trust her since she wears the mask so well??</p>
<p>To Lim and Cheah, didn&#8217;t your parents tell you not to keep tigers as pets? Why? Cos if your food offering is big, your tiger pet will protect you but if your food is small, the tiger will eat you up when the tiger is hungry.</p>
<p>All politican are tigers . Aminah is one friendly cat with her motives. She might have found the compensation is too small and insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: LTH</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6607</link>
		<dc:creator>LTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PKR now needs to come out and say categorically whether the &quot;offers&quot; made by Cheah and Lim had the party&#039;s tacid endorsement, for them to dispel any suspicion in the public domain that these two were despatched on a special mission.
 
And if they were not, PKR must take action against these two to give a clear message to their rank and file and the general public (especially those who support and care for the party) that it is dead serious in ensuring that the leadership and the people they put up for elections are people of integrity and conviction.

Sueing her as they have done only serves to add to the sandiwara. Turn this episode into a blessing to purge those undesirables within the party leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PKR now needs to come out and say categorically whether the &#8220;offers&#8221; made by Cheah and Lim had the party&#8217;s tacid endorsement, for them to dispel any suspicion in the public domain that these two were despatched on a special mission.</p>
<p>And if they were not, PKR must take action against these two to give a clear message to their rank and file and the general public (especially those who support and care for the party) that it is dead serious in ensuring that the leadership and the people they put up for elections are people of integrity and conviction.</p>
<p>Sueing her as they have done only serves to add to the sandiwara. Turn this episode into a blessing to purge those undesirables within the party leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: siew eng</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6603</link>
		<dc:creator>siew eng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the refreshing angle and content that reflected the time and effort put into listening to the whole recording in order to understand the context enough to objectively tell what really happened - you won&#039;t find such unbiased perceptiveness and care in mainstream media reporting (sadly). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the refreshing angle and content that reflected the time and effort put into listening to the whole recording in order to understand the context enough to objectively tell what really happened &#8211; you won&#8217;t find such unbiased perceptiveness and care in mainstream media reporting (sadly).</p>
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		<title>By: victor tan</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6600</link>
		<dc:creator>victor tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The men were trying to compensate your loss for withdrawing from the contest. If you do not understand what is a bribe and what is not a bribe, then, better stay at home.

Next time, ask for RM80 million. It would be more convincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The men were trying to compensate your loss for withdrawing from the contest. If you do not understand what is a bribe and what is not a bribe, then, better stay at home.</p>
<p>Next time, ask for RM80 million. It would be more convincing.</p>
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		<title>By: grape</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6593</link>
		<dc:creator>grape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally misleading... sounds like propaganda writing with hidden intentions. Minah ronggeng obviously prepared the trap with all the evidence that she could produce. Why else would there be pictures taken by several family members, audio recordings, etc. Tears in her eyes? [Yeah, right.] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally misleading&#8230; sounds like propaganda writing with hidden intentions. Minah ronggeng obviously prepared the trap with all the evidence that she could produce. Why else would there be pictures taken by several family members, audio recordings, etc. Tears in her eyes? [Yeah, right.]</p>
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		<title>By: Noname</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6591</link>
		<dc:creator>Noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corruption happens in every country around the world......... now you can see it&#039;s inside PKR...... and exposed by PKR people itself.....when did you see Umno-BN admit to corruption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corruption happens in every country around the world&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; now you can see it&#8217;s inside PKR&#8230;&#8230; and exposed by PKR people itself&#8230;..when did you see Umno-BN admit to corruption?</p>
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		<title>By: Hoyhoyo</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6587</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoyhoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great rebuttal to those who pressed on saying how &quot;factionless&quot; and without infighting PKR is, or how great and impartial and meritocratic Anwar is, in contrast with, say the DAP&#039;s Lim dynasty and long history of infighting, or PAS&#039;s current factional battle.

I think it is perfectly normal that some fare better than others in a political party... It is called &quot;political&quot; party for a reason... Political party without factional politics is perhaps unknown of...

What is important for a political party is however, an ideology, and a constant never-ending push to achieve the ideology...

It is however true that the PKR&#039;s ideology is getting more and more unclear ever since Anwar&#039;s release...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great rebuttal to those who pressed on saying how &#8220;factionless&#8221; and without infighting PKR is, or how great and impartial and meritocratic Anwar is, in contrast with, say the DAP&#8217;s Lim dynasty and long history of infighting, or PAS&#8217;s current factional battle.</p>
<p>I think it is perfectly normal that some fare better than others in a political party&#8230; It is called &#8220;political&#8221; party for a reason&#8230; Political party without factional politics is perhaps unknown of&#8230;</p>
<p>What is important for a political party is however, an ideology, and a constant never-ending push to achieve the ideology&#8230;</p>
<p>It is however true that the PKR&#8217;s ideology is getting more and more unclear ever since Anwar&#8217;s release&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6586</link>
		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When things are against the opposition or when someone stands up and tells the truth, why does it always have to be &quot;Maybe he/she is being sponsored by the BN for doing this and that&quot;?

This is just so lame...don&#039;t blame others for your own wrongdoings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When things are against the opposition or when someone stands up and tells the truth, why does it always have to be &#8220;Maybe he/she is being sponsored by the BN for doing this and that&#8221;?</p>
<p>This is just so lame&#8230;don&#8217;t blame others for your own wrongdoings!</p>
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		<title>By: Shamaun</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/lunch-lies-and-an-audio-tape/#comment-6581</link>
		<dc:creator>Shamaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commend you on a good piece of reporting, stating facts without prejudice.  From the tone and words of the conversation (and the transcript that can be read from other websites), it appears that this conversation is one among friends about their political power struggles.  This is normal (although not entirely acceptable) in political parties.

But the thing that tinges this whole episode with something more sinister is the fact that Aminah had obviously planned the recording.  This shows either she suspected a bribe coming from Cheah and Lim or she wanted to steer the conversation such that they would offer the bribe.  But in a related report posted on another website, Aminah said she did not even realise what Cheah and Lim said to her constituted a bribe until the MACC told her it was.  That means she could not have suspected a bribe coming.  Therefore, it is more probable that Aminah planned to entrap Cheah and Lim in their words by steering the conversation such that they offered the bribe.

The fact that the duo fell for it does not absolve them of guilt.  The fact that they uttered words that the MACC can constitute as a bribe makes them guilty.  

So everyone in this sordid episode has to shoulder some blame.  Let&#039;s hope PKR cracks the whip on their leaders to get them to shape up so that it can be the party that Malaysians hope for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend you on a good piece of reporting, stating facts without prejudice.  From the tone and words of the conversation (and the transcript that can be read from other websites), it appears that this conversation is one among friends about their political power struggles.  This is normal (although not entirely acceptable) in political parties.</p>
<p>But the thing that tinges this whole episode with something more sinister is the fact that Aminah had obviously planned the recording.  This shows either she suspected a bribe coming from Cheah and Lim or she wanted to steer the conversation such that they would offer the bribe.  But in a related report posted on another website, Aminah said she did not even realise what Cheah and Lim said to her constituted a bribe until the MACC told her it was.  That means she could not have suspected a bribe coming.  Therefore, it is more probable that Aminah planned to entrap Cheah and Lim in their words by steering the conversation such that they offered the bribe.</p>
<p>The fact that the duo fell for it does not absolve them of guilt.  The fact that they uttered words that the MACC can constitute as a bribe makes them guilty.  </p>
<p>So everyone in this sordid episode has to shoulder some blame.  Let&#8217;s hope PKR cracks the whip on their leaders to get them to shape up so that it can be the party that Malaysians hope for.</p>
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