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		<title>By: matdene</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15793</link>
		<dc:creator>matdene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To faith04: Are you sure that Chinese schools are less racist? I have a friend from a prominent Chinese high school who told me that sometimes the kids are told during morning assemblies things like &quot;Donâ€™t trust Malays&quot; and &quot;We must protect our own race from them.&quot; How could people tell such things to 13- to 17-year-olds? I&#039;m not condemning Chinese vernacular schools per se, national schools are definitely at fault as well; but it would be unfair to say that only national schools are racist. 

Additionally, I believe having vernacular schools accelerates racism and racial segregation because of preferences towards a particular race. Children should mingle around with kids from other races because it is that stage that we humans are most innocent.

No education system can be perfect, but can we have our education system guided by educationists, not politicians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To faith04: Are you sure that Chinese schools are less racist? I have a friend from a prominent Chinese high school who told me that sometimes the kids are told during morning assemblies things like &#8220;Donâ€™t trust Malays&#8221; and &#8220;We must protect our own race from them.&#8221; How could people tell such things to 13- to 17-year-olds? I&#8217;m not condemning Chinese vernacular schools per se, national schools are definitely at fault as well; but it would be unfair to say that only national schools are racist. </p>
<p>Additionally, I believe having vernacular schools accelerates racism and racial segregation because of preferences towards a particular race. Children should mingle around with kids from other races because it is that stage that we humans are most innocent.</p>
<p>No education system can be perfect, but can we have our education system guided by educationists, not politicians?</p>
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		<title>By: Chan Chong Guan</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15781</link>
		<dc:creator>Chan Chong Guan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody has to wake up and do something!</description>
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		<title>By: faith04</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15743</link>
		<dc:creator>faith04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent all my three children to Chinese vernacular primary school due to following:

(1) To master reading and speaking of basic Mandarin and learning of Chinese language, which is important for their future career and laying foundation to preserve my ancestral culture and values. Teaching Chinese as a single subject in public school as a third language (Bahasa Malay first, English second) can&#039;t fulfill the role, only Chinese vernacular schools using Mandarin as the medium of instruction can do that. 

(2) Chinese vernacular schools are sponsored by the community and are much more economical compared to private school.

(3) Fear of conversion to Islam and &quot;Ketuanan Melayu&quot; racism in public schools.

(4) Meritocracy, non-racial and non-religious discrimination in Chinese vernacular schools.  

(5) Chinese vernacular school principals are more accomodating of the sensitivities of different cultures/religion/customs of various races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent all my three children to Chinese vernacular primary school due to following:</p>
<p>(1) To master reading and speaking of basic Mandarin and learning of Chinese language, which is important for their future career and laying foundation to preserve my ancestral culture and values. Teaching Chinese as a single subject in public school as a third language (Bahasa Malay first, English second) can&#8217;t fulfill the role, only Chinese vernacular schools using Mandarin as the medium of instruction can do that. </p>
<p>(2) Chinese vernacular schools are sponsored by the community and are much more economical compared to private school.</p>
<p>(3) Fear of conversion to Islam and &#8220;Ketuanan Melayu&#8221; racism in public schools.</p>
<p>(4) Meritocracy, non-racial and non-religious discrimination in Chinese vernacular schools.  </p>
<p>(5) Chinese vernacular school principals are more accomodating of the sensitivities of different cultures/religion/customs of various races.</p>
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		<title>By: Sloane</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15730</link>
		<dc:creator>Sloane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do urban parents and rural parents even send their children to school anyway? Oh, right. Mass sleepwalking. And no, please don&#039;t tell me schooling is necessary to develop intelligence. The motivation to seek actualisation is innate. And when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

@kahseng : Nut Graph has certainly opened a can of worms running this series. I doubt they can elaborate let alone challenge the assumptions laid out in your 99 theses of sorts. Since the desire has been born I am sure other readers will look forward to you picking up where Nut Graph has left off. You can then ask parents all over Malaysia to nail this 99 theses at the door of their respective Jabatan Pendidikan Negeri. I heard that&#039;s how Martin Luther did it to bring Christians into a new age. Perhaps the same can be done for education. 

I have my doubts whether people can appreciate the need for such an in-depth commitment to statistics, facts and deliberate thinking but the only weapon against an institution embodying itself as a temple of intellect is a higher level of intellectualism. Only when the walls have fallen can Intellectualism lay its weapons down for other attributes to take their deserving place in the third millennium.

@Farish : A simpler way is to stop demand for dumbed-down schooling. When schools empty out en masse the rakyat can then say, &quot;Off with the Heads! Return the tax dollars, we&#039;re hiring our own teachers!&quot; (My premise: &quot;Deschooling Society&quot;, Ivan Illich).

The ratio of Farish A. Noors to incompetent teachers is something like 1 :1000. So even if we (as Malaysians) sack all those teachers and hire academics like yourself, you would need some kind of content and learning management system to duplicate yourself digitally to compensate for the 1000 non-Farish A. Noors.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do urban parents and rural parents even send their children to school anyway? Oh, right. Mass sleepwalking. And no, please don&#8217;t tell me schooling is necessary to develop intelligence. The motivation to seek actualisation is innate. And when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.</p>
<p>@kahseng : Nut Graph has certainly opened a can of worms running this series. I doubt they can elaborate let alone challenge the assumptions laid out in your 99 theses of sorts. Since the desire has been born I am sure other readers will look forward to you picking up where Nut Graph has left off. You can then ask parents all over Malaysia to nail this 99 theses at the door of their respective Jabatan Pendidikan Negeri. I heard that&#8217;s how Martin Luther did it to bring Christians into a new age. Perhaps the same can be done for education. </p>
<p>I have my doubts whether people can appreciate the need for such an in-depth commitment to statistics, facts and deliberate thinking but the only weapon against an institution embodying itself as a temple of intellect is a higher level of intellectualism. Only when the walls have fallen can Intellectualism lay its weapons down for other attributes to take their deserving place in the third millennium.</p>
<p>@Farish : A simpler way is to stop demand for dumbed-down schooling. When schools empty out en masse the rakyat can then say, &#8220;Off with the Heads! Return the tax dollars, we&#8217;re hiring our own teachers!&#8221; (My premise: &#8220;Deschooling Society&#8221;, Ivan Illich).</p>
<p>The ratio of Farish A. Noors to incompetent teachers is something like 1 :1000. So even if we (as Malaysians) sack all those teachers and hire academics like yourself, you would need some kind of content and learning management system to duplicate yourself digitally to compensate for the 1000 non-Farish A. Noors.</p>
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		<title>By: aca</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15683</link>
		<dc:creator>aca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent my 8 year old kid to private school so that he has a better chance to get into international class in Form 1. I know he will miss Chinese-medium schooling after just one year but what choice do I have with the flip-flopping and politicising of the education system. National school was never in our consideration given the general atrocious standards unless one is able to get into some of the better schools.

One surprise though. My son&#039;s class is very well &quot;mixed&quot; with over 50% Malay [Malaysians], 40% Chinese [Malaysians] and 10% others. And from what I gathered, they are having a good time together. That&#039;s very reassuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent my 8 year old kid to private school so that he has a better chance to get into international class in Form 1. I know he will miss Chinese-medium schooling after just one year but what choice do I have with the flip-flopping and politicising of the education system. National school was never in our consideration given the general atrocious standards unless one is able to get into some of the better schools.</p>
<p>One surprise though. My son&#8217;s class is very well &#8220;mixed&#8221; with over 50% Malay [Malaysians], 40% Chinese [Malaysians] and 10% others. And from what I gathered, they are having a good time together. That&#8217;s very reassuring.</p>
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		<title>By: YY</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15676</link>
		<dc:creator>YY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the past, private tuition was generally unnecessary because school teachers were doing a competent job of teaching.  In recent years, however, tuition classes outside of school hours have become de rigueur because schools are no longer doing the job they have been entrusted to do.  Itâ€™s a sad state of affairs.  Children have barely time to eat when they arrive home after school before they are rushed off to tuition classes.  Some parents begin to ask themselves if they should be subjecting their children to this torturous routine.  If their children learn so little from school, they reason, and gain so much from private tuition classes, why not dispense with school altogether and enroll their children in â€˜full-time tuitionâ€™?  Another name for â€˜full-time tuitionâ€™ is of course â€˜private schoolâ€™.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past, private tuition was generally unnecessary because school teachers were doing a competent job of teaching.  In recent years, however, tuition classes outside of school hours have become de rigueur because schools are no longer doing the job they have been entrusted to do.  Itâ€™s a sad state of affairs.  Children have barely time to eat when they arrive home after school before they are rushed off to tuition classes.  Some parents begin to ask themselves if they should be subjecting their children to this torturous routine.  If their children learn so little from school, they reason, and gain so much from private tuition classes, why not dispense with school altogether and enroll their children in â€˜full-time tuitionâ€™?  Another name for â€˜full-time tuitionâ€™ is of course â€˜private schoolâ€™.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhan</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15671</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And 

21. The ignorant by many English-educated parents on what constitutes &quot;mother tongue&quot;. Despite the spoken linguistic difference, the Chinese language is considered by its speakers to be a single language. As Mandarin is the most commonly used Chinese language, it is therefore not wrong to assume Mandarin, and with it only one writing system, is the mother tongue for most Chinese.

22. The assumption that vernacular schools do implement racial segregation. Unlike the elite schools, there is no a single vernacular school that implements racial segregation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And </p>
<p>21. The ignorant by many English-educated parents on what constitutes &#8220;mother tongue&#8221;. Despite the spoken linguistic difference, the Chinese language is considered by its speakers to be a single language. As Mandarin is the most commonly used Chinese language, it is therefore not wrong to assume Mandarin, and with it only one writing system, is the mother tongue for most Chinese.</p>
<p>22. The assumption that vernacular schools do implement racial segregation. Unlike the elite schools, there is no a single vernacular school that implements racial segregation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ong</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15670</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Ong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Farish A Noor, your comment is absolutely right! I lived in the Latin Americas for some years more than ten years ago. I used to laugh at their drivers ignoring all traffic rules and where homicides are the norm and even security guards at the condominiums are armed and visitors to some condos have to pass through double gated security sentry. The vigilante set up by the residents are the norm for there is great distrust of the local law enforcement. Everybody at least knew of somebody who got robbed by the mobs.

Slowly but surely, Malaysia is heading that way..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Farish A Noor, your comment is absolutely right! I lived in the Latin Americas for some years more than ten years ago. I used to laugh at their drivers ignoring all traffic rules and where homicides are the norm and even security guards at the condominiums are armed and visitors to some condos have to pass through double gated security sentry. The vigilante set up by the residents are the norm for there is great distrust of the local law enforcement. Everybody at least knew of somebody who got robbed by the mobs.</p>
<p>Slowly but surely, Malaysia is heading that way..</p>
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		<title>By: Kamal</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/going-private/#comment-15669</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are probably several ways we can read statistics, one of course is that more people sending their kids to private schools reflect a better economy. Of course, I am not denying the other reasons that have been suggested. There is no doubt we have a problem with public schools, but that is a different issue from more people sending their kids to private schools.

I am continually amazed with the stories I hear coming out of government schools today and they do not reflect a system that is adapting well to change.

Farish Noor in his letter pointed out that it isn&#039;t only in our education, but it seems to be with everything else. With more and more private security companies employed to protect high-end housing estates. That is true, and perhaps not so easy to say it reflects a growing affluence. But it does.

The gap between the rich and poor is becoming wider and it is a problem that needs to be address. But we also need to address the [apparent] decline in public services (education, security, etc.). I would say it has to do firstly with having a highly centralised system. A big bureaucracy, controlled from a centralised committee, reacts slowly. That is good in terms of policy, but bad in day to day management. When mid to senior level government officers do not dare or are not able to make decisions on their own, they cannot become effective managers. 

But I disagree with what Farish has to say as a solution, it isn&#039;t just political will that we need, but we also need to respect that for the moment and probably the next twenty years, a bulk of our government servants are not going to be able to meet quickly the demands of society. Sacking those who fail to meet the standards is not the answer. We have to return to a more basic question first; if Farish, in his own words chose to build his career elsewhere because he felt teaching locally would &quot;effectively bring my career to a halt and destroy both my credibility and employment prospects in the long run&quot;, how do we expect the system to improve? Yet not withstanding the dent to their credibility and the end to future prospects, there are good people who continue within the system. Perhaps they recognise the mediocrity in government as a sign of a system failing to adapt to change. But change in this respect will have to come from sacrifice. Adaptation is a slow and deliberate process. We will improve, we have to belief that. We have to strive together to make that happen. It won&#039;t happen over night. And it won&#039;t happen from afar. It will need people to engage with the system.

The politicians need to decentralise the government. But once we decentralise, we need people willing to come back who will work together with others to bring change; not someone who will bark orders and sack people, but leaders who have proven themselves elsewhere, who are capable in their field, but who also have compassion and wisdom to realise the larger implications of harsh actions. 

Finally, we need to recognise technical weakness from bad politics. Both are tangible and real. But we need to recognise that they are not the same thing. In this respect, just increasing salaries of government officers alone will not solve the problem with the delivery of service. To improve the delivery in government services we need both structural changes, but also and attitudinal changes. But above all, we need to stop discriminatory policies that are based on religion and race (this is where advocating change in politics comes in). To do all this we need people who understand, appreciate and are able and willing to sacrifice to lead the way. Politicians as good intentioned as they may be, cannot be there in each department running the daily affairs. This is where we have to start seeing the country as ours, and believe that if we want change, we need to engage with it. We need to vote, we need to push our political representatives to represent our interests, we need to join the government if need be. Basically, we need to get involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are probably several ways we can read statistics, one of course is that more people sending their kids to private schools reflect a better economy. Of course, I am not denying the other reasons that have been suggested. There is no doubt we have a problem with public schools, but that is a different issue from more people sending their kids to private schools.</p>
<p>I am continually amazed with the stories I hear coming out of government schools today and they do not reflect a system that is adapting well to change.</p>
<p>Farish Noor in his letter pointed out that it isn&#8217;t only in our education, but it seems to be with everything else. With more and more private security companies employed to protect high-end housing estates. That is true, and perhaps not so easy to say it reflects a growing affluence. But it does.</p>
<p>The gap between the rich and poor is becoming wider and it is a problem that needs to be address. But we also need to address the [apparent] decline in public services (education, security, etc.). I would say it has to do firstly with having a highly centralised system. A big bureaucracy, controlled from a centralised committee, reacts slowly. That is good in terms of policy, but bad in day to day management. When mid to senior level government officers do not dare or are not able to make decisions on their own, they cannot become effective managers. </p>
<p>But I disagree with what Farish has to say as a solution, it isn&#8217;t just political will that we need, but we also need to respect that for the moment and probably the next twenty years, a bulk of our government servants are not going to be able to meet quickly the demands of society. Sacking those who fail to meet the standards is not the answer. We have to return to a more basic question first; if Farish, in his own words chose to build his career elsewhere because he felt teaching locally would &#8220;effectively bring my career to a halt and destroy both my credibility and employment prospects in the long run&#8221;, how do we expect the system to improve? Yet not withstanding the dent to their credibility and the end to future prospects, there are good people who continue within the system. Perhaps they recognise the mediocrity in government as a sign of a system failing to adapt to change. But change in this respect will have to come from sacrifice. Adaptation is a slow and deliberate process. We will improve, we have to belief that. We have to strive together to make that happen. It won&#8217;t happen over night. And it won&#8217;t happen from afar. It will need people to engage with the system.</p>
<p>The politicians need to decentralise the government. But once we decentralise, we need people willing to come back who will work together with others to bring change; not someone who will bark orders and sack people, but leaders who have proven themselves elsewhere, who are capable in their field, but who also have compassion and wisdom to realise the larger implications of harsh actions. </p>
<p>Finally, we need to recognise technical weakness from bad politics. Both are tangible and real. But we need to recognise that they are not the same thing. In this respect, just increasing salaries of government officers alone will not solve the problem with the delivery of service. To improve the delivery in government services we need both structural changes, but also and attitudinal changes. But above all, we need to stop discriminatory policies that are based on religion and race (this is where advocating change in politics comes in). To do all this we need people who understand, appreciate and are able and willing to sacrifice to lead the way. Politicians as good intentioned as they may be, cannot be there in each department running the daily affairs. This is where we have to start seeing the country as ours, and believe that if we want change, we need to engage with it. We need to vote, we need to push our political representatives to represent our interests, we need to join the government if need be. Basically, we need to get involved.</p>
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		<title>By: robert choo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noted the major difference from my youngest son who attends a national type school in Form Two now compared to Chinese medium school where he completed his primary education. He comes home with no school homework daily, not interested in studying at all, complains that sometimes teachers disappear from classes, and students challenge teachers. During his primary school days in a Chinese medium school, he had tonnes of school homework to complete daily. I am very concerned as a parent and shall follow your next article for your insight and maybe a light in the tunnel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noted the major difference from my youngest son who attends a national type school in Form Two now compared to Chinese medium school where he completed his primary education. He comes home with no school homework daily, not interested in studying at all, complains that sometimes teachers disappear from classes, and students challenge teachers. During his primary school days in a Chinese medium school, he had tonnes of school homework to complete daily. I am very concerned as a parent and shall follow your next article for your insight and maybe a light in the tunnel.</p>
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