Comments on: Funding democracy, the BN way http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/ Making Sense of Politics & Pop Culture Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:50:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Eric http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4643 Eric Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:34:22 +0000 #comment-4643 "Need Malaysians wonder anymore what the BN stands for?" Sad to say lots of Malaysians cannot see this or meekly think BN is the lesser evil. Forced Undi Pos and (sometimes) downright cheating makes up for the difference. Hopefully PRU13 will solve this by sending BN where they belong. “Need Malaysians wonder anymore what the BN stands for?”

Sad to say lots of Malaysians cannot see this or meekly think BN is the lesser evil. Forced Undi Pos and (sometimes) downright cheating makes up for the difference.

Hopefully PRU13 will solve this by sending BN where they belong.

]]> By: Jonathan Lee http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4626 Jonathan Lee Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:59:05 +0000 #comment-4626 Sorry, forgot to give the link to Lim Kit Siang's blog. The well thought comment was found at near the bottom of the page, which shows the hypocrisy of SPR! http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/21/why-there-should-be-by-elections-in-the-three-state-assembly-seats-of-jelapang-behrang-and-changkat-jering-in-perak-and-the-parliamentary-seat-of-kulai/ Sorry, forgot to give the link to Lim Kit Siang’s blog.
The well thought comment was found at near the bottom of the page, which shows the hypocrisy of SPR!

http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/04/21/why-there-should-be-by-elections-in-the-three-state-assembly-seats-of-jelapang-behrang-and-changkat-jering-in-perak-and-the-parliamentary-seat-of-kulai/

]]> By: Jonathan Lee http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4625 Jonathan Lee Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:56:45 +0000 #comment-4625 Something which I found interesting at Lim Kit Siang's blog just now. It shows the hypocrisy of this country's Election Commission! Dear YB LKS, I support you to continue to show how BN is so hypocrite. For example, when Tan Keng Liang (Kedah gerakan youth head) suggested to impose a penalty for unreasonable resignation and to amend the Federal Constitution (for the five-year ban) to make it possible for assemblyman to call for by-elections to get people's approval (to solve the crisis in Perak), the Election Commission only supported his penalty proposal (just because it makes PKR look bad in Penanti under the Fairuz scandal). So, what about the amendment to the Federal Constitution? I managed to search Google and found his proposal to SPR at his blog. - http://tankengliang.blogspot.com/2009/04/proposed-amendment-to-current-election.html SPR dares not even talk about his proposal for amendment of the five-year ban to allow by-election at Perak! If SPR wants to accept Tan’s proposal for the penalty, they must also adopt his idea for amendment to the Federal Constitution (to make exemption of the five-year ban). Otherwise, it is just selecting proposal for the BN 's benefit. If possible YB LKS, please highlight this hypocrisy of BN and SPR! Something which I found interesting at Lim Kit Siang’s blog just now. It shows the hypocrisy of this country’s Election Commission!

Dear YB LKS,

I support you to continue to show how BN is so hypocrite.

For example, when Tan Keng Liang (Kedah gerakan youth head) suggested to impose a penalty for unreasonable resignation and to amend the Federal Constitution (for the five-year ban) to make it possible for assemblyman to call for by-elections to get people’s approval (to solve the crisis in Perak), the Election Commission only supported his penalty proposal (just because it makes PKR look bad in Penanti under the Fairuz scandal).

So, what about the amendment to the Federal Constitution?

I managed to search Google and found his proposal to SPR at his blog. – http://tankengliang.blogspot.com/2009/04/proposed-amendment-to-current-election.html

SPR dares not even talk about his proposal for amendment of the five-year ban to allow by-election at Perak!

If SPR wants to accept Tan’s proposal for the penalty, they must also adopt his idea for amendment to the Federal Constitution (to make exemption of the five-year ban). Otherwise, it is just selecting proposal for the BN ‘s benefit.

If possible YB LKS,

please highlight this hypocrisy of BN and SPR!

]]> By: Muhammad http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4620 Muhammad Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:50:44 +0000 #comment-4620 Excellent article Jac. Well done and keep it up. Anyway, here's a belated hello from Christopher - SXI/ Holy Spirit Church. Warm Regards, Christopher Excellent article Jac. Well done and keep it up. Anyway, here’s a belated hello from Christopher – SXI/ Holy Spirit Church.

Warm Regards,

Christopher

]]> By: Faris http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4618 Faris Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:39:54 +0000 #comment-4618 Dipetik dari Suara Keadilan (dari markas Angkatan Muda Keadilan) (http://www.suarakeadilan.com/sk/beritautama/2009/04/4408) Cadangan penalti RM50,000 bagi anggota dewan undangan negeri dan RM100,000 bagi anggota parlimen yang melepaskan jawatan tanpa sebab munasabah adalah satu cadangan keanak-anakan kerana tidak masuk akal kata Timbalan Angkatan Muda (AMK) KeADILan Faris Musa. Berikutan kenyataan Ketua Pemuda Gerakan Kedah Tan Keng Liang yang mahu penalti itu di kenakan ke atas mana-mana Adun atau Ahli Parlimen yang mahu meletak jawatan tanpa sebab munasabah. Beliau juga mencadangkan jika perletakan jawatan itu atas alasan bagi mendapat mandat baru daripada pengundi bagi Adun terbabit untuk menyertai parti gabungan, penalti itu perlu dikurangkan separuh. Sementara itu, satu lagi kenyataan yang dibuat oleh Ahli Parlimen Jerlun, Mukhriz Mahathir menyokong supaya Suruhanjaya Pilihanraya (SPR) mengenakan hukuman terhadap wakil rakyat yang meletak jawatan sesuka hati tanpa alasan yang kukuh. Katanya, perbuatan meletak jawatan dalam kalangan Anggota Parlimen atau Anggota Dewan Undangan Negeri pembangkang dengan sewenang-wenangnya, kini seolah-olah menjadi trend bagi memastikan parti mereka sentiasa mendapat perhatian. Perbuatan itu katanya merugikan rakyat dan negara kerana pilihan raya kecil memerlukan perbelanjaan besar setiap kali diadakan, selain mewujudkan suasana tidak selesa dalam kalangan penyokong parti-parti yang bertanding. Faris membidas kenyataan Tan dan Mukhris sebagai tidak masuk akal kerana amalan perletakan jawatan adalah perkara biasa yang diamalkan di negara-negara berasakan demokrasi. “Kenyataan itu amat tidak masuk akal serta agak keterlaluan dan memihak kepada kerajaan Barisan Nasional sahaja tanpa mengambil kira pendapat pihak lain,” jelas Faris kepada Suara Keadilan. Dipetik dari Suara Keadilan (dari markas Angkatan Muda Keadilan)
(http://www.suarakeadilan.com/sk/beritautama/2009/04/4408)

Cadangan penalti RM50,000 bagi anggota dewan undangan negeri dan RM100,000 bagi anggota parlimen yang melepaskan jawatan tanpa sebab munasabah adalah satu cadangan keanak-anakan kerana tidak masuk akal kata Timbalan Angkatan Muda (AMK) KeADILan Faris Musa.

Berikutan kenyataan Ketua Pemuda Gerakan Kedah Tan Keng Liang yang mahu penalti itu di kenakan ke atas mana-mana Adun atau Ahli Parlimen yang mahu meletak jawatan tanpa sebab munasabah.

Beliau juga mencadangkan jika perletakan jawatan itu atas alasan bagi mendapat mandat baru daripada pengundi bagi Adun terbabit untuk menyertai parti gabungan, penalti itu perlu dikurangkan separuh.

Sementara itu, satu lagi kenyataan yang dibuat oleh Ahli Parlimen Jerlun, Mukhriz Mahathir menyokong supaya Suruhanjaya Pilihanraya (SPR) mengenakan hukuman terhadap wakil rakyat yang meletak jawatan sesuka hati tanpa alasan yang kukuh.
Katanya, perbuatan meletak jawatan dalam kalangan Anggota Parlimen atau Anggota Dewan Undangan Negeri pembangkang dengan sewenang-wenangnya, kini seolah-olah menjadi trend bagi memastikan parti mereka sentiasa mendapat perhatian.

Perbuatan itu katanya merugikan rakyat dan negara kerana pilihan raya kecil memerlukan perbelanjaan besar setiap kali diadakan, selain mewujudkan suasana tidak selesa dalam kalangan penyokong parti-parti yang bertanding.

Faris membidas kenyataan Tan dan Mukhris sebagai tidak masuk akal kerana amalan perletakan jawatan adalah perkara biasa yang diamalkan di negara-negara berasakan demokrasi.

“Kenyataan itu amat tidak masuk akal serta agak keterlaluan dan memihak kepada kerajaan Barisan Nasional sahaja tanpa mengambil kira pendapat pihak lain,” jelas Faris kepada Suara Keadilan.

]]> By: mindspring http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4617 mindspring Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:09:03 +0000 #comment-4617 A quick google search "how much does a canister of tear gas cost" indicates a prices of USD 14.95 to USD49.00 in the US. Which probably means anywhere between RM150 and RM4900 to the Malaysian Police. A quick google search “how much does a canister of tear gas cost” indicates a prices of USD 14.95 to USD49.00 in the US. Which probably means anywhere between RM150 and RM4900 to the Malaysian Police.

]]> By: chi pek http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4611 chi pek Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:11:44 +0000 #comment-4611 Democracy and people's freedom should not be equated to dollars and cents. Whether it's a waste of money or not. Then government should cut down the unnecessary expenses. Who audits these accounts anyway. Democracy and people’s freedom should not be equated to dollars and cents. Whether it’s a waste of money or not. Then government should cut down the unnecessary expenses. Who audits these accounts anyway.

]]> By: oldman http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4602 oldman Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:37:56 +0000 #comment-4602 Aiyo yo. Why the police only spent RM2.5 Million on Permatang Pauh by-election but a whooping RM11.5 million in Kuala Terengganu? Aiyo yo. Why the police only spent RM2.5 Million on Permatang Pauh by-election but a whooping RM11.5 million in Kuala Terengganu?

]]> By: Sonia http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4595 Sonia Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:48:03 +0000 #comment-4595 If I'm not mistaken, BN at one stage gave an answer to your first question. There was a time when they gave the seat to those who came 'runner-up' in the elections, primarily in Sabah I believe. Oddly, most of those seats had been won initially by non-BN politicians. If I’m not mistaken, BN at one stage gave an answer to your first question. There was a time when they gave the seat to those who came ‘runner-up’ in the elections, primarily in Sabah I believe. Oddly, most of those seats had been won initially by non-BN politicians.

]]> By: kahseng http://www.thenutgraph.com/funding-democracy-the-bn-way/#comment-4593 kahseng Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:20:38 +0000 #comment-4593 MPs should be asking questions as to why police cost per voter is as high as 6x to 20x (in KT) of EC cost per voter. These are preposterous. Hints about where to check, other then canopy contractors - are catering, transport, housing, senior officer accommodation, uniform, cleaning, equipments, other service contractors who are probably better connected than they are efficient. Other than police costs, even EC's costs in Sabah and Sarawak need to be checked. From 2004 parliamentary election, about 1/2 of SPR's budget was spent in East Malaysia, (even though the voter population in East Malaysia is about 1/9 of West Malaysia) due to the rugged terrain. A lot of the money is spent on helicopters and boats rented on short notice from the Philippines and Indonesia. Who are the middlepersons, and could that RM50 million have been reduced to even more reasonable amount? See EC documents at: http://www.spr.gov.my/index/general_election2004.pdf REPORT ON THE MALAYSIAN GENERAL ELECTIONS 1995 http://www.spr.gov.my/index/1995_report.htm REPORT ON THE MALAYSIAN GENERAL ELECTIONS 1995 http://www.spr.gov.my/index/salinan/E_1995.htm One-day Sarawak polls to cost RM 24m (Star 05/04/2001) http://www.spr.gov.my/index/star050401.htm http://www.spr.gov.my/index/newspapercuttings2001.htm ELECTION PANEL CAN SAVE RM10M FOR POLLS http://www.spr.gov.my/index/salinan/star020204.htm REPORT ON THE STATE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY GENERAL ELECTION SARAWAK, 1991 http://www.spr.gov.my/index/salinan/sarawakgenelec1991.htm MPs should be asking questions as to why police cost per voter is as high as 6x to 20x (in KT) of EC cost per voter. These are preposterous.

Hints about where to check, other then canopy contractors – are catering, transport, housing, senior officer accommodation, uniform, cleaning, equipments, other service contractors who are probably better connected than they are efficient.

Other than police costs, even EC’s costs in Sabah and Sarawak need to be checked. From 2004 parliamentary election, about 1/2 of SPR’s budget was spent in East Malaysia, (even though the voter population in East Malaysia is about 1/9 of West Malaysia) due to the rugged terrain.

A lot of the money is spent on helicopters and boats rented on short notice from the Philippines and Indonesia. Who are the middlepersons, and could that RM50 million have been reduced to even more reasonable amount?

See EC documents at:

http://www.spr.gov.my/index/general_election2004.pdf

REPORT ON THE MALAYSIAN GENERAL ELECTIONS 1995
http://www.spr.gov.my/index/1995_report.htm
REPORT ON THE MALAYSIAN GENERAL ELECTIONS 1995
http://www.spr.gov.my/index/salinan/E_1995.htm

One-day Sarawak polls to cost RM 24m (Star 05/04/2001)
http://www.spr.gov.my/index/star050401.htm
http://www.spr.gov.my/index/newspapercuttings2001.htm

ELECTION PANEL CAN SAVE RM10M FOR POLLS
http://www.spr.gov.my/index/salinan/star020204.htm

REPORT ON THE STATE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY
GENERAL ELECTION SARAWAK, 1991
http://www.spr.gov.my/index/salinan/sarawakgenelec1991.htm

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