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		<title>By: TheOthers</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20791</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Therefore we would like the same. Don&#039;t push into other religion&#039;s space. 

And if, according to your saying, what matters is now, then the pig is all right for this day and age. Perhaps 600 years ago, it was in the desert and pigs were reared at some dirty locale. But it&#039;s a creation of the Almighty ____ (the name that I should not use because it is not allowed in Malaysian law). So why hate pigs? ____ said he created all these creatures for all? I remember my Malay female friend in Singapore said about the pig movie &quot;Babe&quot;, &quot;the piglet is soooo cute&quot;. She didn&#039;t eat it. She just finds it cute. And it is.
 
In 2001, the radio was playing one of my favourite songs at that time &quot;J___ to a Child&quot; by George Michael. And yes the first word was deleted from the song. We can&#039;t use A____, we can&#039;t use J____. _____ _____ ______ ______ _____. ____ ___.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Therefore we would like the same. Don&#8217;t push into other religion&#8217;s space. </p>
<p>And if, according to your saying, what matters is now, then the pig is all right for this day and age. Perhaps 600 years ago, it was in the desert and pigs were reared at some dirty locale. But it&#8217;s a creation of the Almighty ____ (the name that I should not use because it is not allowed in Malaysian law). So why hate pigs? ____ said he created all these creatures for all? I remember my Malay female friend in Singapore said about the pig movie &#8220;Babe&#8221;, &#8220;the piglet is soooo cute&#8221;. She didn&#8217;t eat it. She just finds it cute. And it is.</p>
<p>In 2001, the radio was playing one of my favourite songs at that time &#8220;J___ to a Child&#8221; by George Michael. And yes the first word was deleted from the song. We can&#8217;t use A____, we can&#8217;t use J____. _____ _____ ______ ______ _____. ____ ___.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOthers</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20790</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr,

Islamphobia is valid because simply of the rules it wants to and is imposing to on the laity, the secular and others. The examples are countless: 

	&lt;li&gt;In Malaysia, one-way forced conversion only - the spouse must convert to Islam. &lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;Body-snatching of the deceased to dispute religious conversion. Look at that poor wife whose husband&#039;s body was taken just like that. &lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;Propaganda in state television/radio. &lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;Affirmative action that doesn&#039;t help the poor bumi/Muslim, e.g. housing discounts. Only the rich Datuk Muslim can pay and exploit that 10-20% discount. &lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;Approved permits. &lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;Biased funding for religious places of worship. &lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;Disapproval and dismantling of places of worship of other religions. &lt;/li&gt;

It&#039;s not about 9/11. It&#039;s now in Malaysia, it&#039;s about us citizens. Malaysians. Even this definition is a misnomer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr,</p>
<p>Islamphobia is valid because simply of the rules it wants to and is imposing to on the laity, the secular and others. The examples are countless: </p>
<li>In Malaysia, one-way forced conversion only &#8211; the spouse must convert to Islam. </li>
<li>Body-snatching of the deceased to dispute religious conversion. Look at that poor wife whose husband&#8217;s body was taken just like that. </li>
<li>Propaganda in state television/radio. </li>
<li>Affirmative action that doesn&#8217;t help the poor bumi/Muslim, e.g. housing discounts. Only the rich Datuk Muslim can pay and exploit that 10-20% discount. </li>
<li>Approved permits. </li>
<li>Biased funding for religious places of worship. </li>
<li>Disapproval and dismantling of places of worship of other religions. </li>
<p>It&#8217;s not about 9/11. It&#8217;s now in Malaysia, it&#8217;s about us citizens. Malaysians. Even this definition is a misnomer.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOthers</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20789</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More..

The ketupat&#039;s form is but several dozen crosses.

The crossroad we use daily to get out of the Taman, is a cross.

The mission school&#039;s cross has already been replaced with a star about 30 years ago. And in Malacca, someone made some minarets and placed them on the top of an old mission school. 

I still get annoyed with the 5am inconsiderate loudspeakers. Even in non-Muslim populated area, a request is made to set up a surau unit. Hardly anyone is there to pray, but the blaring sound still affects the neighbourhood. Clash of civilisation, alas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More..</p>
<p>The ketupat&#8217;s form is but several dozen crosses.</p>
<p>The crossroad we use daily to get out of the Taman, is a cross.</p>
<p>The mission school&#8217;s cross has already been replaced with a star about 30 years ago. And in Malacca, someone made some minarets and placed them on the top of an old mission school. </p>
<p>I still get annoyed with the 5am inconsiderate loudspeakers. Even in non-Muslim populated area, a request is made to set up a surau unit. Hardly anyone is there to pray, but the blaring sound still affects the neighbourhood. Clash of civilisation, alas.</p>
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		<title>By: Malaysia sejati</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20760</link>
		<dc:creator>Malaysia sejati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orang Malaysia jangan lah bangga dengan agama yang dianuti. Kerana semua agama yang ada di Malaysia ini adalah agama datang dari luar. Kita sebenarnya telah dan sedang dijajah oleh orang luar. Nenek moyang kita dahulu lemah dan tidak dapat mempertahankan agama asal kita sendiri. Agama asal kita dahulu telah lenyap ditelan zaman atau oleh agama yang datang dari luar.

Hanya yang tinggal pada rakyat Malaysia sekarang ialah kebudayaan kita. Hanya kebudayaan kita yang dapat menyatupadukan kita sekarang ini. Itu pun hampir saparuh telah pupus.

Pada Tahun 60-an hingga 70-an kebudayaan atau cara hidup rakyat Malaysia sangat menyeronokan. Orang Melayu berkawan baik dengan kaum-kaum lain. Mereka tidak kira agama. Tetapi sekarang sudah jauh berbeza. Dalam masa 50 tahun akan datang saya percaya kebudayaan asal warga Malaysia akan lenyap sama sekali. Ini adalah kerana masing-masing mengikut ajaran agama masing-masing, kerana agama banyak larangan tidak boleh itu dan ini, tidak boleh bekawan dengan agama lain dan sebagainya, akhirnya peperangan antara kaum atau agama akan berlaku.

Untuk membendung perkara di atas terus berlaku semua kaum dan suku sakat di Malaysia haruslah ingat dan waspada [...] Agama tetap agama, adab resam orang Melayu, Cina, India, Kedazaan,Bajau, Iban, Melanau etc yang bersopan santun dan tinggi budi perkerti haruslah kita pertahankan demi menjaga kehormanian dan keamanan di Malaysia ini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orang Malaysia jangan lah bangga dengan agama yang dianuti. Kerana semua agama yang ada di Malaysia ini adalah agama datang dari luar. Kita sebenarnya telah dan sedang dijajah oleh orang luar. Nenek moyang kita dahulu lemah dan tidak dapat mempertahankan agama asal kita sendiri. Agama asal kita dahulu telah lenyap ditelan zaman atau oleh agama yang datang dari luar.</p>
<p>Hanya yang tinggal pada rakyat Malaysia sekarang ialah kebudayaan kita. Hanya kebudayaan kita yang dapat menyatupadukan kita sekarang ini. Itu pun hampir saparuh telah pupus.</p>
<p>Pada Tahun 60-an hingga 70-an kebudayaan atau cara hidup rakyat Malaysia sangat menyeronokan. Orang Melayu berkawan baik dengan kaum-kaum lain. Mereka tidak kira agama. Tetapi sekarang sudah jauh berbeza. Dalam masa 50 tahun akan datang saya percaya kebudayaan asal warga Malaysia akan lenyap sama sekali. Ini adalah kerana masing-masing mengikut ajaran agama masing-masing, kerana agama banyak larangan tidak boleh itu dan ini, tidak boleh bekawan dengan agama lain dan sebagainya, akhirnya peperangan antara kaum atau agama akan berlaku.</p>
<p>Untuk membendung perkara di atas terus berlaku semua kaum dan suku sakat di Malaysia haruslah ingat dan waspada [...] Agama tetap agama, adab resam orang Melayu, Cina, India, Kedazaan,Bajau, Iban, Melanau etc yang bersopan santun dan tinggi budi perkerti haruslah kita pertahankan demi menjaga kehormanian dan keamanan di Malaysia ini.</p>
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		<title>By: thehumanist</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20750</link>
		<dc:creator>thehumanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Syed Alwi,

I do not presume to have the absolute truth regarding the political, religious and philosophical leanings of the Western world; however, your statements shows that you&#039;ve neither studied European history nor have you taken the effort to be acquainted with Western philosophies. I shall take this time to dissect your argument and provide logical and historical facts to disprove you. I will first quote you, then disprove you. 

1. You said, &#039;Popular culture reflects the dominance of the Christian West.&#039; This statement holds two incorrect usage of terms. Popular culture is a vague term used to summarize the widely adopted, hegemonic culture of mass media, commercialization and advertisement, and capitalistic values of the West. Christian West is also an incorrect term because you&#039;ve generalized Christianity as a &#039;Western&#039; religion. Go back to Ancient Rome and you&#039;d realize that Christianity is an Asian Religion from Israel. Christianity originated in Asia, the East, and spread to Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. Hence, you have proven in that statement that you&#039;ve vaguely used the term pop culture and do not know the origins of Christianity. 

2.&#039;hypocrisy in the West regarding their so-called secularism&#039;, this statement of yours is especially damaging to your argument of the &#039;Christian West&#039;. It clearly shows that you&#039;ve not read on something called the French Revolution or have been exposed to various Renaissance ideas and Enlightenment ideas, for example works by Jean-Jacques Rousseau. If you had any SLIGHT IDEA of the french revolution, you would have read about the increasing de-chrisitianization of catholic france, the seizing for church property, the breaking of the french church from the papacy and most importantly THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CULT OF REASON. now I take that you are a man of intellect and judgement. Go research on the aforementioned things and you will realize that you have just killed your own argument of a Christian West.

3. &#039;the West will never vote in a Muslim to be their leader&#039;, let me ask you a question, will Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or the UAE ever elect a Christian president? I guess not. 

4. &#039;They are secular only up to the point where secularism serves their interest&#039; is the nail in your coffin. In 1798, French forces of the Republic under Napoleon (this is after the French revolution and the de-Christianization of europe) invaded, let me reiterate, INVADED the Vatican City (which is the center of the Catholic Church if you didn&#039;t know that), EXPELLED THE POPE, and DECLARED A SECULAR REPUBLIC ON THE HALLOWED GROUNDS OF THE CENTER OF CATHOLICISM. Tell me, how is THAT half-hearted secularism.

5.&#039;Muslim symbols like the minarets of mosques – to be banned&#039;, mhmm. Get your perspective right. Churches in the middle east get burnt and Christians get martyred every day many Muslim countries.

6.&#039;The West is still very much Christian in their culture and world-view&#039;. clearly, revert to the French revolution. Oh yeah, if you&#039;re saying that that doesn&#039;t apply to today&#039;s world. Let me remind you that Christianity is a source of continuous jokes in the West and Jesus is mocked daily. 

So, how do you reconcile your opinions of a &#039;Christian West&#039;?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Syed Alwi,</p>
<p>I do not presume to have the absolute truth regarding the political, religious and philosophical leanings of the Western world; however, your statements shows that you&#8217;ve neither studied European history nor have you taken the effort to be acquainted with Western philosophies. I shall take this time to dissect your argument and provide logical and historical facts to disprove you. I will first quote you, then disprove you. </p>
<p>1. You said, &#8216;Popular culture reflects the dominance of the Christian West.&#8217; This statement holds two incorrect usage of terms. Popular culture is a vague term used to summarize the widely adopted, hegemonic culture of mass media, commercialization and advertisement, and capitalistic values of the West. Christian West is also an incorrect term because you&#8217;ve generalized Christianity as a &#8216;Western&#8217; religion. Go back to Ancient Rome and you&#8217;d realize that Christianity is an Asian Religion from Israel. Christianity originated in Asia, the East, and spread to Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. Hence, you have proven in that statement that you&#8217;ve vaguely used the term pop culture and do not know the origins of Christianity. </p>
<p>2.&#8217;hypocrisy in the West regarding their so-called secularism&#8217;, this statement of yours is especially damaging to your argument of the &#8216;Christian West&#8217;. It clearly shows that you&#8217;ve not read on something called the French Revolution or have been exposed to various Renaissance ideas and Enlightenment ideas, for example works by Jean-Jacques Rousseau. If you had any SLIGHT IDEA of the french revolution, you would have read about the increasing de-chrisitianization of catholic france, the seizing for church property, the breaking of the french church from the papacy and most importantly THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CULT OF REASON. now I take that you are a man of intellect and judgement. Go research on the aforementioned things and you will realize that you have just killed your own argument of a Christian West.</p>
<p>3. &#8216;the West will never vote in a Muslim to be their leader&#8217;, let me ask you a question, will Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or the UAE ever elect a Christian president? I guess not. </p>
<p>4. &#8216;They are secular only up to the point where secularism serves their interest&#8217; is the nail in your coffin. In 1798, French forces of the Republic under Napoleon (this is after the French revolution and the de-Christianization of europe) invaded, let me reiterate, INVADED the Vatican City (which is the center of the Catholic Church if you didn&#8217;t know that), EXPELLED THE POPE, and DECLARED A SECULAR REPUBLIC ON THE HALLOWED GROUNDS OF THE CENTER OF CATHOLICISM. Tell me, how is THAT half-hearted secularism.</p>
<p>5.&#8217;Muslim symbols like the minarets of mosques – to be banned&#8217;, mhmm. Get your perspective right. Churches in the middle east get burnt and Christians get martyred every day many Muslim countries.</p>
<p>6.&#8217;The West is still very much Christian in their culture and world-view&#8217;. clearly, revert to the French revolution. Oh yeah, if you&#8217;re saying that that doesn&#8217;t apply to today&#8217;s world. Let me remind you that Christianity is a source of continuous jokes in the West and Jesus is mocked daily. </p>
<p>So, how do you reconcile your opinions of a &#8216;Christian West&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20730</link>
		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeeez, then Malaysian Muslims better demonstrate against schools and finance institutions for using the plus sign &quot;+&quot;, which is a cross as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeeez, then Malaysian Muslims better demonstrate against schools and finance institutions for using the plus sign &#8220;+&#8221;, which is a cross as well.</p>
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		<title>By: apple</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20636</link>
		<dc:creator>apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear &#039;Dr&#039;

&quot;What I see here are non-Muslim Malaysians trying to interfere in Muslim affairs.&quot;

You are just talking about the jersey. Look carefully at the whole article. What I see here is Muslims trying to interfere in non-Muslim affairs. Ice creams biscuits? Convent schools? Come on. Who&#039;s interfering [with] who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8216;Dr&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;What I see here are non-Muslim Malaysians trying to interfere in Muslim affairs.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are just talking about the jersey. Look carefully at the whole article. What I see here is Muslims trying to interfere in non-Muslim affairs. Ice creams biscuits? Convent schools? Come on. Who&#8217;s interfering [with] who?</p>
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		<title>By: Yeo Kien Kiong</title>
		<link>http://www.thenutgraph.com/fear-of-the-cross/#comment-20590</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeo Kien Kiong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your professional opinion, is there any difference between fighting endlessly for the form of your religion and fighting endlessly for the spirit of your religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your professional opinion, is there any difference between fighting endlessly for the form of your religion and fighting endlessly for the spirit of your religion?</p>
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		<title>By: myfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>myfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birdy, that makes more sense than anything the good Dr. has said so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birdy, that makes more sense than anything the good Dr. has said so far.</p>
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		<title>By: myfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>myfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gist of the problem that is of concern to many here is this thing that Muslims, the likes of Dr Syed Alwi, are trying to tell everybody else what they can and cannot do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gist of the problem that is of concern to many here is this thing that Muslims, the likes of Dr Syed Alwi, are trying to tell everybody else what they can and cannot do.</p>
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