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Allah debate #3

(Corrected at 1:01am, 16 Jan 2010)


* Quote sourced from Penghakiman hakis keistimewaan Islam, Berita Harian Online, 8 Jan 2010

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17 Responses to “Allah debate #3”

  1. bujang s'wak says:

    You shut up, don’t make a fool of this.

  2. Cdawg says:

    I think this is an accurate portrayal of the sentiments expressed by the Islamic side… Is it not?

  3. avenue says:

    This caricature will trigger the hate in our harmonic relations…Please stop it.

  4. Lainie says:

    bujang: Hrm. Make a fool of this situation? That is actually a quote off Berita Harian (as linked right below the picture) — I just put an illustration to it.

    cdawg: i prefer to think that is not the majority, but Lay Chin has done more research into that topic in this article: http://www.thenutgraph.com/allah-in-cyberspace

    avenue: It is not the intention of this comic to trigger hate. Rather, it is to question some of the things being said out there. I consider it a fair question — why not read the constitution as one that protects the rights of all religions?

    Thank you for reading The Nut Graph!

  5. Wa Ka Ka Ka says:

    I love it when you guys walk at the edge on the other side of the boundary.

    Keep it up!!!

  6. Muslim says:

    And you publish shit like this. Your publishing (read : censorship) policy now appears to me hideously biased. Forget it Nut Graph, you don’t really make sense of anything.

  7. PoliticoKat says:

    Islam is special. This caricature will [cause] mass riots.

  8. othreligion says:

    Good one, good one =) Let us not be narrow-minded or selfish.

  9. Firdaus says:

    @Muslim

    “Umat Islam adalah penduduk majoriti di Malaysia. Perkara 3 (1) Perlembagaan Persekutuan menyatakan agama Islam ialah agama rasmi bagi Persekutuan tetapi agama lain boleh diamalkan dengan aman dan damai di mana-mana bahagian Malaysia. Makna ‘boleh diamalkan dengan aman dan damai’ ialah agama lain selain agama Islam boleh diamalkan di mana-mana bahagian Persekutuan selagi ia tidak menghakis kedamaian dan keamanan agama rasmi Persekutuan, iaitu Islam. Inilah kedudukan istimewa Islam.”

    Read the article, from which the above quote was taken, here.

    Don´t accuse TNG for your own ignorance, lest Islam be spoken of in bad light. Qur’an pun telah menyatakan bahawa: “Dan janganlah kamu memaki sembahan-sembahan yang mereka sembah selain Allah [yang boleh memaki mereka], kerena mereka nanti akan memaki Allah dengan melampaui batas tanpa pengetahuan.” (sura al-An’aam, ayat 108)

    Ingat: “Dan apabila mereka mendengar perkataan yang menghinakan, mereka berpaling daripadanya dan mereka berkata: ‘Bagi kami, amal-amal kami, dan bagimu, amal-amalmu, kesejahteraan atas dirimu, kami tidak ingin bergaul dengan orang-orang jahil.’” (sura al-Qasas, ayat 55)

    If you want respect, you have to earn it. “Jadilah engkau pemaaf dan suruhlah orang mengerjakan yang ma’ruf, serta berpalinglah daripada orang-orang yang bodoh.” (sura al-A’raf, ayat 199)

    Janganlah sampai begitu terpikat oleh politik agama.

    Wallahuaalam.

  10. Anymous says:

    Dear All, try to understand the contents of Article 11 in Federal Constitution. Thanks!

  11. sabahanpeople says:

    Jesus is not God, he is just a messenger of Allah. You see the trinity concept in Christianity is confusing. Islam is clear.

  12. JLX says:

    We are mature enough to understand the nature of the caricature for it not to cause any rioting. Its an interesting take to the situation. Our society is not a tinder box that it is so easily flammable.

  13. abak says:

    Stupid caricature. Allah is not a Malay word. It is Arabic .The correct translation should be God — Tuhan, and Lord — Yang Amat Berkuasa. Muslims use Allah for all languages, but the Catholics in Malaysia want to use it for Bahasa Malaysia only. We smell something fishy here. We would not bother if they wanted to use that word for all languages.

  14. vctech says:

    I personally feel that this cartoon is mischievous and is subversively aimed at inflamming passions on a debate that is already spiralling out of control. In actual fact, this so-called “quote” is not even a literal translation or even an accurate summary of the original statement in BH:

    “Makna ‘boleh diamalkan dengan aman dan damai’ ialah agama lain selain agama Islam boleh diamalkan di mana-mana bahagian Persekutuan selagi ia tidak menghakis kedamaian dan keamanan agama rasmi Persekutuan, iaitu Islam. Inilah kedudukan istimewa Islam.”

    A better (and more accurate translation) would be:

    “The meaning of “to be practised in peace and harmony” is that other religions besides Islam can be practised in any part of the Federation as long as it does not erode the stability and peace of the official religion of the Federation. This is the special position of Islam.”

    The nuance and semantics of this closer translation is FAR DIFFERENT from the one which the author of this cartoon has published for TNG. It screams of Islamophobia and the bias of the translator in portraying a message that Islam is violent, aggressive and does not respect minority rights.

    I can hardly call this “satire”.

  15. BSJT says:

    No minarets in Switzerland, not okay by the Muslims. No head scarf in France, not okay by the Muslims. No “Allah” use by non-Muslims in Malaysia, and it is okay. Hmm, what kind of logic do we have here?

  16. somethingStirring says:

    What I really hope to read is what the readers who are apparently offended by this cartoon think about the Berita Harian interpretation highlighted in this cartoon.

    @vctech: “It screams of Islamophobia and the bias of the translator in portraying a message that Islam is violent, aggressive and does not respect minority rights.”

    In all honesty, I don’t think your translation is superior to the TNG one. How do you read all this (regarding Islam no less) in a dozen words which are just loose reproduction of the constitution?


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